Gay Marriage
“Same-sex marriage would threaten the institution of marriage.” That’s one of the many arguments against it, but still when you read it it’s easy to notice there’s something not right about that argument.
I mean you would think all these same arguments have been used before, especially for interracial marriage:
“1) First, judges claimed that marriage belonged under the control of the states rather than the federal government.
2) Second, they began to define and label all interracial relationships (even longstanding, deeply committed ones) as illicit sex rather than marriage.
3) Third, they insisted that interracial marriage was contrary to God’s will, and
4) Fourth, they declared, over and over again, that interracial marriage was somehow “unnatural.”
The purity of public morals,” the court declared, “the moral and physical development of both races….require that they should be kept distinct and separate… that connections and alliances so unnatural that God and nature seem to forbid them, should be prohibited by positive law, and be subject to no evasion. Declaration from the Supreme Court of Virginia used to invalidate a marriage between a black man and a white woman in 1878
5) They [Supreme Court Judges] insisted that because miscegenation laws punished both the black and white partners to an interracial marriage, they affected blacks and whites “equally.”
The rhetoric is silly and the only thing that it uses is create fear among ignorant people. “The gays are destroying the families” that’s a popular one too, but on this day and age where you don’t even need to have sex in order to have children, don’t believe me, ask Nadya Suleman! Family as we know it, composed by one dad, mom and from one to three children is changing. It’s always been changing because of natural disasters or wars were families are sadly torn apart or because of divorce. If divorces don’t destroy the traditional nuclear family, then spank me really hard and call me Judy. It is estimated that between 40 percent and50 percent of first marriages end up in divorce.
It is also rather childish to claim that there’s any sanctity in a marriage now-a-days, of course there are millions if not billions of happily wed couples, but then there also some like Britney Spears that sometimes it is just a game. Don’t get me wrong, I’m a big Britney Spears’ fan and supporter, but pulling that getting married for 55 hours stunt and then getting divorce just for “fun” doesn’t really add any sanctity.
I also love the people who use the Bible to go against gay marriage, oh the Holly Book:
“Let’s try for a minute to take the religious conservatives at their word and define marriage as the Bible does. Shall we look to Abraham, the great patriarch, who slept with his servant when he discovered his beloved wife Sarah was infertile? Or to Jacob, who fathered children with four different women (two sisters and their servants)? Abraham, Jacob, David, Solomon and the kings of Judah and Israel—all these fathers and heroes were polygamists. The New Testament model of marriage is hardly better. Jesus himself was single and preached an indifference to earthly attachments—especially family. The apostle Paul (also single) regarded marriage as an act of last resort for those unable to contain their animal lust. “It is better to marry than to burn with passion,” says the apostle, in one of the most lukewarm endorsements of a treasured institution ever uttered.” Our Mutual Joy, by Lisa Miller Newsweek Magazine
Proponents of gay marriage are not asking for a religious ceremony, they ask for a civil ceremony recognized not only by their state, but by their country. All of those who keep using Jesus name or the Bible need I remind you what Jesus said when it comes to State rights:
“Tell us therefore, What think you? Is it lawful to give tribute to Caesar, or not? But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt you me, you hypocrites? Show me the tribute money. And they brought to him a penny. And he said to them, Whose is this image and superscription? They say to him, Caesar’s. Then said he to them, Render therefore to Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and to God the things that are God’s. When they had heard these words, they marveled, and left him, and went their way.” Matthew 17:22
Correct me if I’m wrong, but in his on words this is something related to Ceasars’ not God.
“To which there are two obvious responses: First, while the Bible and Jesus say many important things about love and family, neither explicitly defines marriage as between one man and one woman. And second, as the examples above illustrate, no sensible modern person wants marriage—theirs or anyone else’s —to look in its particulars anything like what the Bible describes. “Marriage” in America refers to two separate things, a religious institution and a civil one, though it is most often enacted as a messy conflation of the two. As a civil institution, marriage offers practical benefits to both partners: contractual rights having to do with taxes; insurance; the care and custody of children; visitation rights; and inheritance. As a religious institution, marriage offers something else: a commitment of both partners before God to love, honor and cherish each other—in sickness and in health, for richer and poorer—in accordance with God’s will. In a religious marriage, two people promise to take care of each other, profoundly, the way they believe God cares for them.” Our Mutual Joy, by Lisa Miller Newsweek Magazine

Signs against Mormons for supporting Proposition 8
Other horrible arguments against gay marriage are that it will open up the table for poligamy. *cough, cough* correct me If I’m wrong, but wasn’t the Mormon Church pro Proposition 8 (the bill introduced in California to ban gay marriages)? Aren’t the Mormon’s known for poligamy? Want to take the religious context out of the equation, then fine:
“Alan and Eric let me make the sleeping arrangements, and I worked to make sure I spent time with both of them. To all outward appearances we were a married couple with a male friend living with us. While some found it awkward when the three of us occasionally attended parties and such together, very few people attempted to pry. To avoid legal troubles, I remained legally married to Alan, and we all decided a larger house was in order when we met Leslie.
Fast forward to today, and our family is now composed of Alan, Eric, Leslie, Amber, and myself, plus our children: Todd, Steve, Jennifer, Lisa, and Amber is currently pregnant. Eric and Leslie are legally married, and we’ve added a few rooms to the house. We have two family meetings a week, one of which is for adults only, both of which can get lively and loud. We’ve had our arguments over money, people monopolizing other people’s time, dealing with children’s issues, and so forth — like any other family — but we just have more voices in the discussion.” I have two husbands: A polygamist’s diary, By Kathleen Lewis MSNBC Today
What about the kids? Kids raised by two gay men or two lesbian women they are bound to screw up their kids by forcing that “lifestyle” on them. Again, correct me If I’m wrong but weren’t gays and lesbians (most of them anyways) raised by both their mom and dad? All of the ones I know were raised by both of their straight parents. A child needs love, protection and shelter while growing up, two loving parents or one for that matter regardless of “lifestyle” can provide it as good or even better than straight parents, after all there’s less judging.
“Gays are destroying our families,” is another argument against gay marriage, but how can people forget that gay men and women have families themselves? Gays do have parents, do have siblings, do have cousins, do have uncles and do have grandparents. Don’t you think that by forcing members of their families to be ashamed of their kids and to push them away that, that is not destroying families? What about the families that are destroyed because their gay sons and daughter have commited suicide? Gay teen suicides are four times that of heterosexual youth. (Note: this is information is based on a research done in 1993 numbers could be higher or lower today). How can parents cope with that? Why do parents have to come with terms with their child’s homosexuality once they are dead? We are all born knowing that we will have to bury our parents, we are ready for that, but we aren’t ready to bury our children.

Ellen Degeneres (right) and wife (?) Portia Di Rossi (left) on their Wedding Day
The last argument against gay marriage is that: “they will force their lifestyle on us and our children.” Wow! Really gays are just going to come and start making you make out with someone of your same gender? No one’s going to force anyone to do anything, gay men and women only want to be free and have the same rights as you do, that’s all. You will never have to witness a gay wedding, unless you are invited to one, which would probably make you pro-marriage in the first place; given that you know, you know – the gays!
Marriage (civil) is a right that everyone has and which you can’t deny. Majorities have no right to impose their will on under represented minorities and people who use the Bible to promote hatred and fear should know that God ordered us not to judge anyone, because only he can. Hopefully Proposition 8 will be abolished and gay marriage will be allowed in the State of California, and short after will be available in every state and in every country.
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36 Comments
February 21, 2009 at 11:34 pm
Honestly, this is out of the question. Gay marriages are WRONG, no matter if you look at it from the religious, cultural, or historical point of view. It’s simply an aberration. God created Adam and Eve, not two Adams or two Eve’s. The moment the government approves that “gay law”, the future of this country will be more uncertain than ever.
February 23, 2009 at 4:46 pm
Religious, cultural, and historical point of view, eh?
And just who the hell are you to tell us what is right and what is wrong based upon the antiquated writings of a couple of fishermen in bronze-age Palestine who worship a Jewish zombie who happens to be his own dad?
February 28, 2009 at 12:47 am
So you say it’s not ok to be gay, well i think your just evil. your just some racist who can’t tie my laces, and your point of view is midevil. You STUPID FUCK!! You are going to hell for judging what you don’t know. Go fuck yourself! cocksucker! HA!
February 21, 2009 at 11:39 pm
and a snake talked to Eve and made her eat an apple. True story!
February 28, 2009 at 12:52 am
If you think a snake spoke English, then you are a crazy bitch. Snakes don’t talk. And who are you to say what happened back then? You weren’t there. So until you hear all this shit from God himself, SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!:)
February 21, 2009 at 11:45 pm
My friend, you know that’s obviously not the point here. Whether the story is true or not……Gay marriages are just wrong……period. No wonder why there are so many people against it.
February 23, 2009 at 5:32 pm
The Holocaust never happened. That’s why so many people don’t believe in it.
About 45 million Americans are smokers. 45 million smokers can’t be wrong, there’s so many of them.
There’s about 1.5 billion Muslims worldwide. I guess that Muhammad guy had a point.
…see what I did there?
February 22, 2009 at 12:06 am
HELLO, MY NAME IS JOHN, I HAVE A NONSENSICAL VIEWPOINT BASED ON MY OWN DISCRIMINATORY SENSIBILITIES, SO WE BETTER BASE OUR FEDERAL LAWS AROUND IT OR ELSE!
February 22, 2009 at 12:23 am
Knock knock. Hello? John? OK, got your attention. Heeeeey, um about that two Adams thing. Could you maybe tone that down a tiny bit? It’s just that… can we just stay friends? You’re a really great guy; out of all of the John’s living deep in the backwoods of Louisiana, you’re probably my favorite. I really like your squirrel hide collection on your wall and the “PRAY or BURN” poster in the closet. But hey, could you maybe give me a little space? I know your intentions are great–pleasing me yada yada–but, you know, going on the internet and falsely attributing quotes to muah made me think about “us”. Anyway, let me know what you think… or better yet, don’t.
Thanks,
Yahweh
February 22, 2009 at 3:11 am
Any radical new change to the traditional status quo tends to go through a process before it is accepted as inevitable, unavoidable, and become lawful. Gays want respect, and to kill off the stereotypical image of promiscuity and it’s deadly STD threat anti-gay people attribute to them. Marriage is an institution they want to join as one solution to this defamation, in addition to their personnal commitment to each other. Society is fixed on labeling people. Gay Marriage isn’t a means to avoid their assigned label, but emphasizes it on a legal binding document, the marriage license. My nickel’s worth of controversy is not supporting Gay Divorce. Secular, male, heterosexual, and married for 18 years till death releases me.
February 22, 2009 at 3:38 am
Great post. Marriage is a religious ceremony that is recognized the by the state. Correct me if I am wrong, but shouldn’t there be separation of church and state? Given that, marriage should not be recognized by the state.
California should examine that and reverse ALL marriages, not just the gay ones. Maybe we should just have Civil Unions for ALL.
February 22, 2009 at 4:49 am
The comments remind me of kindergarten. Someone makes a point and the other side says, “No you are a poo-poo face.”
The author addresses all the arguements made against gay marriage in a concise intelligent manner. If you don’t agree, makes some concise, intelligent rebuttle. “It’s just wrong,” doesn’t meet this criteria.
It’s funny that gays consitently make up about ten percent of our population. Gays are not the ones reproducing them. If roles were reversed, I doubt any straight person would choose to be gay, just like a gay person can not choose to be straight.
Do you really think anyone would choose a life-style that makes them such outcasts and subjects them to so much discrimination.
Believe me, if it was a choice, I would have chosen differently.
In any case, why people expend so much energy on something that in reality will not effect them at all is beyond me.
God does not like some of the things you do, but I do not spend my life trying bring down your way of life. God only asks you to be good to one another, to remember him, and to tell others about him; not to force others to be like you.
February 22, 2009 at 4:59 am
Neeandrtall has provided a prime example of what I was asking for in my previous post. He may not agree with me, and I with him. But he makes a concise and intelligent arguement and I can respect that. He is right when he says it will just take some time. Well said Neeandertall.
February 22, 2009 at 5:56 am
“God does not like some of the things you do, but I do not spend my life trying bring down your way of life. God only asks you to be good to one another, to remember him, and to tell others about him; not to force others to be like you.”
Wayne, if we talk about God, then we can also talk about the Bible and what it teaches about the sanctity of marriage, right?? Or we can also talk about what God thinks regarding Gay people, right?? My concern here is that, if you know so much about what God asks from us, then why don’t you read a little bit more about what he teaches in the Bible regarding this whole thing.
February 23, 2009 at 4:15 pm
I think you’re confusing God and the people who wrote the bible.
February 24, 2009 at 2:50 am
John – I can completely see your point of view. But times have changed, and the bible hasn’t. All that has happened is people have interpreted it different ways. Unless you can find specific passages that say “HOMOSEXUALITY IS WRONG AND I SAY SO – GOD”, you’re not going to get anywhere. Same thing with abortion.
Even if you do find passages, people don’t need to follow your exact views. That is why we have a (sadly failing) 2 party political system – to allow people to have choices. If I don’t like most of your views, I’ll go to the other party. If you really want to go out and say “ALL GAY PEOPLE ARE DEMS AND THEY ARE GOING TO DIE A FIERY DEATH”, good for you, but remember this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Log_Cabin_Republicans
February 22, 2009 at 8:31 pm
Interesting comments!!! Ale I thought you might want to check this out, i posted it waaay back on ‘06, but still funny as hell!
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February 22, 2009 at 8:36 pm
lol yeah, truly hilarious :p
February 24, 2009 at 5:18 am
aletorro
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February 24, 2009 at 7:51 pm
if they want to be together let them be together the world is not their mother
February 24, 2009 at 9:30 pm
So Sad. Why do some people demand that all live as they do? Why do so many speak for God?
Do they know God WILL hold them accountable for there actions? Why do they think God would
forgive thier actions against his children? God does not give points for hatred, no matter the reason.
Why does God have to rule the lives of those who do not believe? That is terribly unfair. To put your beliefs onto everyone else.
Would you like to be forced to live MY beliefs?
February 24, 2009 at 9:34 pm
Freedom for all, seriously.
Let Gays be as miserable in marrige as most of us have been. Let us all suffer equally.
February 24, 2009 at 9:37 pm
lol… haha I agree. do you think there will ever be an issue when there’s a gay divorce? society may be against it!
February 24, 2009 at 9:43 pm
YO …wait a minute. If I lose 25% + to divorce atty’s. then Gays get the same rights I have.
They can have family friends taking sides, the name calling, and best of all custody battles.
Plus the accountants turn!
Yes, absolutely freedom for all.
February 24, 2009 at 10:00 pm
What I do not understand is how a married gay couple down the street is going to harm my straight marriage? How are they going to make me any more miserable than I already am?
If the gay couple is happy I might see what I am missing. Maybe that is the reason,
straights do not want to see others possibly happier than they are.
February 24, 2009 at 10:09 pm
I’m not taking a position on this one way or the other, but some of your logic doesn’t go where I think you want it to.
“Marriage (civil) is a right that everyone has and which you can’t deny.”
And this right is specifically enumerated in the USCON as freedom of association: everyone has the right to enter into a contract with whomsoever they please. And, similarly, you can’t force someone to marry someone they *don’t* want to. Because freedom of association means you can’t force someone to associate with someone they don’t want to, it’s two sides of a coin.
This means we can scrap all the laws prohibiting discriminating against hiring minorities… and gays!
“Majorities have no right to impose their will on under represented minorities”
This is just stupid. Criminals are an underrepresented minority and we have the right to lock them up.
” and people who use the Bible to promote hatred and fear should know that God ordered us not to judge anyone, because only he can.”
Disagreeing with you is not hatred and fear, it’s just disagreeing with you.
“I mean you would think all these same arguments have been used before, especially for interracial marriage…”
You’re ignoring the elephant in the room: a black couple can have children, naturally. A gay couple can’t.
February 24, 2009 at 10:16 pm
right now I don’t have time to go through all the answers, but a criminal is not a minority, a criminal is a criminal and has been convicted for committing a crime, hence criminal. Even before a criminal is locked up he has a trial where he’s innocent until proven guilty.
second, the whole disagreeing with me is just disagreeing with me. if you’re going to say because i said: people use the bible to promote fear and hatred. that has nothing to do with disagreeing, just using something else (the bible) that is not even against it on the first place.
finally, the “elephant in the room” an interracial couple yes can have children, but as you should’ve seen from the very beginning as I said: you don’t even need to be married or have sex to have children, e.g: Nadya Suleman. And do you honestly think how we are all now overpopulated to use that comment. Not only that, but are you saying a man and a woman in their fifties can’t get married? Or someone who can’t bare children? The argument doesn’t hold up. Moreover, with technology so advance today even gays can have their own children, is not a “thing” reserved only for straights.
Any other argument you’d like to debatE?
April 17, 2009 at 1:09 am
i am gay and it was hard trying to be somthing i am not but now that i am true to myself i am still having problems but i can deal with them so don’t say anything about gays cuz your friend might be gay or a relative
February 24, 2009 at 10:16 pm
naturally have children … LOL.
With octo-mom “naturally” does not even come into the discussion. She is allowed marrige and the same sex couple is not? WOW!
May 20, 2009 at 10:21 pm
haha…ironic isn’t it?
February 24, 2009 at 11:19 pm
aletorro … your reply to b was much better than mine. Way to go.
What are people who are against gay marriage honestly afraid of?
As an semi-old woman, better than average home, paid for, three grown offspring, I have come to believe many of lifes choices have thier base in fear. Not all choices and not those people who have learned the difference. I live in suburbia America and I know these people. Quite often choices are based in fear. Fear of what?
February 24, 2009 at 11:26 pm
their, oops.
February 28, 2009 at 12:59 am
NONE OF YOU PEOPLE KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. YOU ALL NEED TO GET A LIFE AND QUIT WORRYING ABOUT OTHER PEOPLES LIVES. THERE ARE GAY, LESBIAN, BLACK, INDIAN, and ALL OTHER RACES! STOP BEING SO JUDGMENTAL AND GROW THE FUCK UP! WE ARE ALL HERE TOGETHER. HATE TOWARDS OTHER PEOPLE ARE NOT GETTING US ANYWHERE! GROW UP!
April 8, 2009 at 3:07 pm
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May 20, 2009 at 10:19 pm
Well prepared argument! You make very good points. I was reading some of the very…interesting…comments. For the love of liver!XD
Anyways, it’s nice to see someone giving more than a “because I said so” argument.
November 24, 2009 at 4:18 pm
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